Originally Posted by GrumpyCabbie
So why are prices and sales of both Renault EV's collapsing and those of the Leaf at holding up? A Leaf with 45k miles is for sale at £10,000.
Please Renault, give people the OPTION of buying the car with the battery. Most of Nissans sales are for the total car, despite them introducing the option to lease the battery. If that doesn't tell you something, then all is lost.
If only it were that simple! I have a Vectrix EV, purchased in 2008 for £7k, the price included the battery and had a range of 80m (56m in the real world). Some 5 years on, I have a range of 11m and nothing the user can do will increase this to something more practical (25m would be my minimum).
Prior to Vectrix collapsing, I could source a battery swap, and more efficient Li-Ion pack was a possibility it was smaller, had more Ah and increased the range over the OEM pack installed originally. The cost? £4,800, to include the pack and the replacement BMS but not fitting. This was an extra £250.
There is no way I will spend a further £5000 in order to achieve the estimated range that was promised to me at the time of original purchase. Going for the Twizy, and the £45 PM lease was painful - but I had the security of knowing I not only had free 24x7 recovery, but if my battery issues returned, I could insist on a replacement.
I too was critical of being forced to make monthly payments - but I have a £7k investment that is nothing more than a beautiful paperweight, that might have cost just £4k and had a maintenance plan.
Don't knock it - the Leaf forums, whether litigious or not, may well be Nissan's EV downfall in due course.