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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-09-2015, 03:47 AM Thread Starter
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EV charging from 2016 in Ireland

Hi there, all EV owners and visitors to Ireland have to sign up to be connect to the network. As it stands it will be this plan with a standard charge of 16.99 euro – fixed price a month and then the 30 cents/min. fast charger charge on top of that.
Can you please sign the petition? Thank you

rethink EV charging costs at ipetitions.com

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/r...charging-costs
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-09-2015, 04:20 AM
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RE: EV charging from 2016 in Ireland

Did you mean Rapid Chargers? The 30c appears right for a Fast...! Who's 'network' is it? There will be alternatives too - have you found them?
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Did you mean Rapid Chargers? The 30c appears right for a Fast...! Who's 'network' is it? There will be alternatives too - have you found them?
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This is the ESB department: ESBecars[hr]
Have a look on Facebook - Irish EV
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1602716789969603/[hr]
https://www.facebook.com/groups/iris...c_location=ufi
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Sadly I don't use Facebook so can't see the link. I'll have a look round.

I found the source Press Release:

https://www.esb.ie/electric-cars/ele...astructure.jsp

What surprises me is there is no mention of Rapid charging (20kwh+). The wording is ambiguous not only for that, but how they plan to develop their service. Is there competition? If not, they'll find their monthly charge will cause their network to stagnate as folk will charge at home or find alternatives.
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http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen..._Cooper_Part_3

Can you listen to this?
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That worked! The ESB guy doesn't seem to grip the important issues being made which are valid - preferring to ignore Kwh charging tariffs and go for the TE/Eircom method of mnute billing - indeed he DID state the per minute charge didn't include consumption! Clearly there are more offers to come, but a Fluence can take up to 4 hrs for a fill, so is €72 a reasonable amount to pay, never mind the €203pa access fee?

Darn right it isn't.

This will end in tears, it is bound to! I doubt the petition will achieve anything - and further confusion where descriptors for charging types seems variable.... what do ESB call basic charging? What they describe as FAST is what GB calls RAPID, and the argument that they want the Standing Charge to pay for new infrastructure seems loaded towards (their) FAST (our Rapid).... something Fluence users cannot use!
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Statement to be presented to ESB ecars in near future - just on website this morning
http://www.irishevowners.ie/public-s...-announcement/
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There doesn't appear to be a 'statement' - just the pricing of 3 competing charging networks - presumably for comparison purposes, but they've not said anything nor drawn any conclusions!
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These are the 3 pricing groups put forward by the committee of EV owners, not the competing charging networks - there is no competition here - just the one company 'ESBecars', the price ESB quoted is just ridiculous so they came up with 3 options so each person can have a choice which they pick and pay accordingly. It is just a mess! Doesn't even mean it will be accepted either. ICE car owners just feel it is not their problem so exposure is minimal - only about 1700 new cars here and a couple of hundred second hand - so very small group.
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RE: EV charging from 2016 in Ireland

Important news for Ireland's EV driving community

Dear EV Owner,

Since starting our Electric Vehicle (EV) programme in 2010, ESB has built an extensive Electric Vehicle charging network, comprising almost 1,000 public charge points in the Republic of Ireland. ESB ecars has been a pioneering force behind the development of Ireland's EV journey and we are proud to be among the most innovative providers of EV charging services in Europe. Working alongside you, with our partners from the car industry and Government, we have laid the foundation for the growth of electric vehicles in Ireland.

As we continue our journey towards cleaner, more economical driving, it's imperative that our network keeps pace with increased needs and that we continue to improve the service that we provide to you. In this context, in the last 12 months we have:
•Added 9 multi-standard fast chargers to expand our network
•Progress in resolving the issue of ICE vehicles blocking charging spots
•Introduced a 24/7 ‘lo call' helpline support
•Increased levels of charger reliability
•Launched a driver app with enhanced functionality

To support your driving experience, it is our intention to provide you with the best possible service. In order for ESB ecars to be able to achieve this, we will soon be introducing, on a phased basis, a payment structure.

Beginning later this month new ESB ecars customers will be asked to sign up to a monthly fee of €16.99 (VAT inclusive) to access the public charging network, with payment coming into effect from January 4th 2016.

This fee will cover:
•Free use of all 800+ standard public charge points
•Unlimited access to over 70 ESB ecars fast chargers until April 2016 – after which date a 30 cent per minute usage fee will apply
•Access to all online and 24/7 call centre supports currently available to ESB ecars customers
•Ability to cancel monthly payment without penalty





In addition to this package, ESB ecars will continue to provide new EV drivers with a free home charger, with an approximate value of €900 (providing that they qualify for the SEAI Grant).*



Existing ESB ecars customers will continue to have access to the charging Infrastructure, ICT, Call Centre and Customer Operations until April 2016 at no cost, by which time a payment structure similar to that offered to new ESB ecars customers will be made available to you – as one of a number of options. At that time, we will also be making some important service enhancements.

Critically, as we roll out our payment structure to increasing numbers of new and existing customers, we are also working to expand the choice of price plans that we can offer so that you can select a package closely tailored to your own personal driving needs – whether a heavy or occasional user of our network. We will be engaging with customers and other stakeholders and will be communicating details of these plans beginning in the new year.

Existing EV owners can sign up from April 2016 onwards at www.esb.ie/ecars or by calling our customer help line on 01- 258 3799/1890 372 387.

We will mail you a reminder with more information about those important dates in the coming months.

Safe e-driving.

Gareth Davis

Head of ESB ecars
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